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		<title>By: Be a man; be an asshole at benhourigan.com: musings and reviews</title>
		<link>http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/25/japanese-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>Be a man; be an asshole at benhourigan.com: musings and reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Quite a lot of effort has gone into these comments: someone delved as far back as my post on Japanese Story for #9, and #s 5, 7-9, 16, 21, 24 and 29 (see below) are all likely inspired by material from posts. I&#8217;m not quite sure why Declan McManus (a.k.a. Elvis Costello) is supposedd to feel &#8220;graphically abused,&#8221; although he has sung of others being &#8220;rythmically admired&#8221; (in &#8220;Welcome to the Working Week&#8221;), but hey, whatever&#8230; Observing the style and the range of allusions, I&#8217;m beginning to get a suspicion of who might be behind the whole thing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Quite a lot of effort has gone into these comments: someone delved as far back as my post on Japanese Story for #9, and #s 5, 7-9, 16, 21, 24 and 29 (see below) are all likely inspired by material from posts. I&#8217;m not quite sure why Declan McManus (a.k.a. Elvis Costello) is supposedd to feel &#8220;graphically abused,&#8221; although he has sung of others being &#8220;rythmically admired&#8221; (in &#8220;Welcome to the Working Week&#8221;), but hey, whatever&#8230; Observing the style and the range of allusions, I&#8217;m beginning to get a suspicion of who might be behind the whole thing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: benhourigan.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Sixteen Candles</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] once asked me, in person, if I ever give anything less than 8&#8211;9/10. Well, I did give Japanese Story a dismal 2/10. But generally I&#8217;ve given 7&#8211;9 here. Why? Well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] once asked me, in person, if I ever give anything less than 8&ndash;9/10. Well, I did give Japanese Story a dismal 2/10. But generally I&#8217;ve given 7&ndash;9 here. Why? Well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H</title>
		<link>http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/25/japanese-story/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay dogpossum. I retract my point about the outback. Actually, I quite liked all three of _Strictly Ballroom_, _Dark City_, and _Children of the Revolution_. I haven&#039;t seen the others. Actually, I don&#039;t especially like cinema: I just posted the review because it&#039;s what I do for all the media I consume.

Sorry you had trouble posting the comment. My spam-catcher caught it multiple times, I see. If you want to post lots of links in future, please make a post on your site and just link to that. I&#039;d like to free things up a little, but I have a real problem with trackback spam.

More on your own site. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay dogpossum. I retract my point about the outback. Actually, I quite liked all three of <em>Strictly Ballroom</em>, <em>Dark City</em>, and <em>Children of the Revolution</em>. I haven&#8217;t seen the others. Actually, I don&#8217;t especially like cinema: I just posted the review because it&#8217;s what I do for all the media I consume.</p>
<p>Sorry you had trouble posting the comment. My spam-catcher caught it multiple times, I see. If you want to post lots of links in future, please make a post on your site and just link to that. I&#8217;d like to free things up a little, but I have a real problem with trackback spam.</p>
<p>More on your own site.</p>
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		<title>By: dogpossum</title>
		<link>http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/25/japanese-story/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>dogpossum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>australian films which do not feature the outback:
&#039;Death in Brunswick&#039; 
http://imdb.com/title/tt0101692/
&#039;strictly ballroom&#039; 
http://imdb.com/title/tt0105488/
&#039;dark city&#039; 
http://imdb.com/title/tt0118929/
&#039;ghosts of the civil dead&#039;
 http://imdb.com/title/tt0095217/
&#039;children of the revolution&#039;
http://imdb.com/title/tt0115886/

i could go on and on and on... you need to get some australian cinema up you, cultural studies boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>australian films which do not feature the outback:<br />
&#8216;Death in Brunswick&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0101692/" >http://imdb.com/title/tt0101692/</a><br />
&#8216;strictly ballroom&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0105488/" >http://imdb.com/title/tt0105488/</a><br />
&#8216;dark city&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0118929/" >http://imdb.com/title/tt0118929/</a><br />
&#8216;ghosts of the civil dead&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0095217/" >http://imdb.com/title/tt0095217/</a><br />
&#8216;children of the revolution&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0115886/" >http://imdb.com/title/tt0115886/</a></p>
<p>i could go on and on and on&#8230; you need to get some australian cinema up you, cultural studies boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H</title>
		<link>http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/25/japanese-story/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Myst/Uncunninglinguist&quot;:http://uncunninglinguist.blogspot.com &quot;comments&quot;:http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/28/end-government-arts-funding/#comment-92, on &quot;End government arts funding now!&quot;:http://benhourigan.com/archives/2005/02/28/end-government-arts-funding/

bq. I&#039;d also like to point out that Asia&#039;s daughters you have dated (from what you&#039;ve told me) certainly aren&#039;t the &#039;typical&#039; daughters of Asia. Far too hybrid, although whether there is a pure asian or Asia for that matter, and in fact, whether there really is a point in trying to segment them as such is another question altogether.

You&#039;re exactly right: they&#039;re not typical. Nor is Hiromitsu, though. One thing I didn&#039;t mention in my post was that he&#039;s a relatively accurate depiction of the kind of person you might find in an old and powerful _dôzoku gaisha_ (family business), especially one of the families associated with a &quot;zaibatsu&quot;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu or &quot;keiretsu&quot;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu (massive corporations like Mitsubishi and Sumitomo). This is exactly the kind of character Hiromitsu is meant to be. I get the impression, though, that the writer and director arrived at the depiction by accident: by reproducing stereotypes rather than by reading a great book about _dôzoku gaisha_ like Matthews Mayasuki Hamabata&#039;s &quot;Crested Kimono: Power and love in the Japanese business family&quot;:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0801499755/ref=benhourigan-co20

What&#039;s curious about _Japanese Story_ is that it chooses to insert this kind of person into the Australian landscape, rather than the still uncommon, but more visible here, banana-type asian (yellow outside, white inside, CS readers forgive the characterisation---it&#039;s a word such people use to describe themselves) who are the girls I&#039;ve dated, the kids I made friends with, and so on. What it hopes to achieve by this I don&#039;t know, but it paints a strange picture for those Westerners who aren&#039;t eggs (white on the outside, yellow on the inside) like me or even know anything at all about Asian people or culture. This is the kind of depiction that makes country people and old people ask second and third-generation Asian Australians where they&#039;re from, and to tell them that &quot;your English is so good!&quot; which drives Asian Australians crazy.

In fact the picture it paints represents pretty well what I think Said was talking about when he put forward his analysis of orientalism, because Hiro and his wife, though they represent an exotic type that actually exists in life, are not specified as just a fraction of Japanese or Asian society. Because they are the only representatives of their region and culture in the film, _they stand in for Asia as a whole_.

As for segmentation, I think it&#039;s a better idea than lumping a whole lot of people together. For me, &#039;Asia&#039; stretches east of India, south of the Russian border, north of Australia and finishes eastward with Japan and Indonesia. That sets a boundary for a particular set of cultures and ideas that I feel are somewhat related. India, incidentally, i deem to be part of the West, since it shares the basic, metaphysical foundations from which our culture grew, while China does not (and is therefore East, as is everything else whose culture it influenced to any large degree). The same thing goes for the Middle East. Africa, on the other hand, is probably a whole other story, neither East nor West (if we&#039;re thinking about philosophical and cultural traditions).  Whether or not individual people fit neatly into the East/West dichotomy is another matter: I&#039;d suggest they don&#039;t.

One day we&#039;ll all be hybrid, and we&#039;ll stop talking about stuff like this.</description>
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<blockquote><p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that Asia&#8217;s daughters you have dated (from what you&#8217;ve told me) certainly aren&#8217;t the &#8216;typical&#8217; daughters of Asia. Far too hybrid, although whether there is a pure asian or Asia for that matter, and in fact, whether there really is a point in trying to segment them as such is another question altogether.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re exactly right: they&#8217;re not typical. Nor is Hiromitsu, though. One thing I didn&#8217;t mention in my post was that he&#8217;s a relatively accurate depiction of the kind of person you might find in an old and powerful <em>d&#244;zoku gaisha</em> (family business), especially one of the families associated with a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu" title="">zaibatsu</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu" title="">keiretsu</a> (massive corporations like Mitsubishi and Sumitomo). This is exactly the kind of character Hiromitsu is meant to be. I get the impression, though, that the writer and director arrived at the depiction by accident: by reproducing stereotypes rather than by reading a great book about <em>d&#244;zoku gaisha</em> like Matthews Mayasuki Hamabata&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0801499755/ref=benhourigan-co20" title="">Crested Kimono: Power and love in the Japanese business family</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s curious about <em>Japanese Story</em> is that it chooses to insert this kind of person into the Australian landscape, rather than the still uncommon, but more visible here, banana-type asian (yellow outside, white inside, CS readers forgive the characterisation&#8212;-it&#8217;s a word such people use to describe themselves) who are the girls I&#8217;ve dated, the kids I made friends with, and so on. What it hopes to achieve by this I don&#8217;t know, but it paints a strange picture for those Westerners who aren&#8217;t eggs (white on the outside, yellow on the inside) like me or even know anything at all about Asian people or culture. This is the kind of depiction that makes country people and old people ask second and third-generation Asian Australians where they&#8217;re from, and to tell them that &#8220;your English is so good!&#8221; which drives Asian Australians crazy.</p>
<p>In fact the picture it paints represents pretty well what I think Said was talking about when he put forward his analysis of orientalism, because Hiro and his wife, though they represent an exotic type that actually exists in life, are not specified as just a fraction of Japanese or Asian society. Because they are the only representatives of their region and culture in the film, <em>they stand in for Asia as a whole</em>.</p>
<p>As for segmentation, I think it&#8217;s a better idea than lumping a whole lot of people together. For me, &#8216;Asia&#8217; stretches east of India, south of the Russian border, north of Australia and finishes eastward with Japan and Indonesia. That sets a boundary for a particular set of cultures and ideas that I feel are somewhat related. India, incidentally, i deem to be part of the West, since it shares the basic, metaphysical foundations from which our culture grew, while China does not (and is therefore East, as is everything else whose culture it influenced to any large degree). The same thing goes for the Middle East. Africa, on the other hand, is probably a whole other story, neither East nor West (if we&#8217;re thinking about philosophical and cultural traditions).  Whether or not individual people fit neatly into the East/West dichotomy is another matter: I&#8217;d suggest they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>One day we&#8217;ll all be hybrid, and we&#8217;ll stop talking about stuff like this.</p>
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		<title>By: benhourigan.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; End government arts funding</title>
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		<dc:creator>benhourigan.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; End government arts funding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ffairs, and other things 	  			Blog		        About	      	 				   	 		 			&#171; Japanese Story 			 		 	 		 			End government arts funding 	 			 					So I proposed in  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, fair enough, Adam, there is a &quot;big-fuck-off desert&quot; out there, and it did include urban settings. I just really hated the movie and obviously was looking for reasons to slag it off. See the front page for a post that I&#039;m still writing, but which will be ready soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, fair enough, Adam, there is a &#8220;big-fuck-off desert&#8221; out there, and it did include urban settings. I just really hated the movie and obviously was looking for reasons to slag it off. See the front page for a post that I&#8217;m still writing, but which will be ready soon.</p>
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		<title>By: adam ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I propose an immediate end to all government funding for the arts.&quot;

This is a joke, yeah?

I didn&#039;t think much of JS either - a bit too drawn out and a bit too indulgent of certain stereotypes (effeminate asian man, honourable japanese, &amp;c), but in terms of showing the Australian outback, lots of new Australian films are set in urban areas these days. Having a film that&#039;s set in the desert isn&#039;t entirely unrealistic, given that there is indeed a big fuck-off desert out there. Thought its setting was fair enough (and it actually did include some urban settings as well, if I remember rightly).

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<p>This is a joke, yeah?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think much of JS either &#8211; a bit too drawn out and a bit too indulgent of certain stereotypes (effeminate asian man, honourable japanese, &#038;c), but in terms of showing the Australian outback, lots of new Australian films are set in urban areas these days. Having a film that&#8217;s set in the desert isn&#8217;t entirely unrealistic, given that there is indeed a big fuck-off desert out there. Thought its setting was fair enough (and it actually did include some urban settings as well, if I remember rightly).</p>
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